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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: faster than light particles observed at cern Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 since i read someone's thread on bethesda site,i thought i'd put it up on some (for anyone who was interested).have always believed in faster than light travel (just look at the millenium falcon/enterprise e.t.c Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting, thanks for posting.. actually it will be more than interesting to see their findings are without error Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Futurama they say you can't go faster than the speed of light.


Professor Hubert Farnsworth: These are the dark matter engines I invented. They allow my starship to travel between galaxies in mere hours.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: That's impossible. You can't go faster than the speed of light.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Of course not. That's why scientists increased the speed of light in 2208.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: Also impossible

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: And what makes my engines truly remarkable is the afterburner, which delivers 200% fuel efficiency.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: That's especially impossible.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Not at all. It's very simple.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: Then explain it.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Now that's impossible! It came to me in a dream, and I forgot it in another dream.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:47 am    Post subject: fast Reply with quote

I briefly heard something to that effect on my radio on
the way home.
Thing is, they've (whoever 'they' is) gone
in the opposite direction some couple years back and
ran light through super-cooled gas to slow light down
to a few meters per second. That's pretty impressive.
I've wondered what they could do with that[?!]
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EvilCensor wrote:
Very interesting, thanks for posting.. actually it will be more than interesting to see their findings are without error Shocked

Yes exactly, im very sceptical of these findings. FTL violates all known physics
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as far as i know they have asked the community to look at the results and see if they have somthing new. Peer review may turn up somthing for them myself im thinking it may be an error, otherwise im owed a few retrospective marks on my exams, anyways, since i have access to the paper for free, ive uploaded it if anyone is interested.

http://www.mediafire.com/?61582bddik9pndl

also remember the speed of light depends on the medium it travels through. and thats just photons which carry light, neutrinos are well able to pass through matter hence water cooling in nuclear reactors, but they are harmless. Im looking forward to what results are found from this.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:31 am    Post subject: FTL Reply with quote

cerium88 wrote:
as far as i know they have asked the community to look at the results and see if they have somthing new. Peer review may turn up somthing for them myself im thinking it may be an error,

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Just for dunderheads like me; and without having to read the
whole paper, they're talking about Muon Neutrinos, yes? Which
are--? And from what I understand (almost nothing), neutrinos
never travel slower than the speed of light; neutrinos are
massless, right? [tests observed/taken from statistical data over a 3 month period]
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what you say is kinda true, they have a mass, but its tiny, smaller than an electron i think. But a nutrino only interacts weakly if at all, in contrast to the basic fundamental particles. what i do know is most nutrinos that come to us are from the sun and they pass through most matter easily because they dont have an electro interaction...as in their electrons dont interact with others, shit explination but i dont know any other way. as for a muon only "The point where the parent meson produces a neutrino in the decay tunnel is unknown. However, this introduces a negligible inaccuracy" as far as i know(which is not much~)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's all very interesting--if there can never be time
assymetry violation under any circumstances, then maybe
there is an anomaly somewhere else in the equipment;
perhaps as an anomoly of 'interference'; that is, the
observer impacts the observed no matter what, just by
observing. So, maybe one 'end' of that experiment is
having an 'effect' upon the other end (the supposed 'FTL result').

Mad a hatter such as myself can craft, I grant you--
but--it's all in fun Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ze Emulatron wrote:
In Futurama they say you can't go faster than the speed of light.


Professor Hubert Farnsworth: These are the dark matter engines I invented. They allow my starship to travel between galaxies in mere hours.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: That's impossible. You can't go faster than the speed of light.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Of course not. That's why scientists increased the speed of light in 2208.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: Also impossible

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: And what makes my engines truly remarkable is the afterburner, which delivers 200% fuel efficiency.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: That's especially impossible.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Not at all. It's very simple.

Cubert J. Farnsworth: Then explain it.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Now that's impossible! It came to me in a dream, and I forgot it in another dream.


I love Futurama! The fact they explain it by saying the engines move the universe around the ship rather than moving the ship through the universe.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bar man says "We don't serve Neutrinos!"
Neutrino walks into a bar.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the proton goes to the hardware store and he
says to the electron, "Just charge it!"

Ba-da bing! Ba-da bang!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faster Than Light was discovered by me in 1987. These guys are slow... Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Finnish professors say the result wasn't true. Those electronic equipment surely are as exact as possible with nowadays' knowledge, but they say this kind of a thing might have made that equipment show a wrong result.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LinesMachine wrote:
Bar man says "We don't serve Neutrinos!"
Neutrino walks into a bar.

I thank you. Very Happy

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