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Acid
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| XenonII wrote: | From what I have seen, Turrican II: The Final Fight on the Amiga is better than Super Metroid on the Super NES. Turrican II has possibly the greatest soundtrack on the Amiga, great graphics for 1991, and incredible gameplay. Super Metroid just looks meh and it's not even original. Turrican II did it all better, years earlier!
The A1200 can also easily do anything a SNES can do and the A500 isn't far behind. You can also play Wipeout 2097 on an Amiga, and Doom at full speed, but you will never be able to do either of that on a SNES! |
Do you not realise that Super Metroid is a remake of Metroid which was released in 1986, three years before the first Turrican was released? If anything the copying of ideas would be the other way around.
Wipeout on an Amiga? not on one from the 16 bit era that's for sure. The best hardware the Amiga had when it was competing with the SNES was an 060 @ 50mhz (and they cost an absolute fortune at least 5x what a SNES cost just for a CPU), you'd be lucky to get 1 frame per second with that in Wipeout. Same goes for Doom, even on my 060 it is not that great certainly not full speed at full screen.
But copmpareing Turrican and Metroid is like comparing apples and oranges, sure they are both pieces of fruit but they don't have much else on common. Turrican is an action run and gun, Metroid is a platform adventure/exploration game. Both have good points it's down to personal preference. |
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Dan Locke
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Just noticed this post and ha ha ha oh wow.
| XenonII wrote: | | From what I have seen, Turrican II: The Final Fight on the Amiga is better than Super Metroid on the Super NES. Turrican II has possibly the greatest soundtrack on the Amiga, great graphics for 1991, and incredible gameplay. |
Amiga Turrican II looks awful, if only because it's stuck with the garish, 16-color palette from the ST version and has one of those stupid gradient backgrounds on the first level. It doesn't even look good "for 1991" - Sonic the Hedgehog and Castlevania IV came out that year, and Shadow of the Beast was two years earlier, and both games destroy Turrican II from a graphical standpoint. How is this supposed to be an advantage over Super Metroid?
| XenonII wrote: | | Super Metroid just looks meh and it's not even original. Turrican II did it all better, years earlier! |
I wasted enough of my time on this crap in the other thread, so I won't bother repeating it here.
| XenonII wrote: | | The A1200 can also easily do anything a SNES can do |
Really? Show me where its 256-color parallax graphics, transparencies, scaling, rotation, and eight-channel sound are, because I've somehow managed to miss them.
| XenonII wrote: | | and the A500 isn't far behind. |
Which 500 are we talking about? Is there one that doesn't have 18 colors max for parallax graphics? One with more than eight hardware sprites? I'd love to get my hands on it. (A system designed in 1984 doesn't compare favorably to a system from 1990? Who knew?)
| XenonII wrote: | | You can also play Wipeout 2097 on an Amiga, and Doom at full speed, but you will never be able to do either of that on a SNES! |
Correction: you can play those games on a late-'90s Macintosh with the Amiga logo slapped on it. The technology to run the Wipeout games didn't even exist when the SNES came out (much less the Amiga!), except for the supercomputers used for commercial and industrial CGI. Even disregarding the "AmigaCD/PPC (WarpOS/PowerUp)/RTG" text at the top of the page, how do you look at this and think, "Yeah, that's running on the same hardware that barely renders this at ten frames per second," without the slightest trace of doubt?
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jesus 666
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan Locke wrote: | | Really? Show me where its 256-color parallax graphics |
I don't think the SNES is going to be doing anything near that, maybe ~150 colour parallax, max (still more than Amiga, I think Lionheart does like ~100 colour parallax on Amiga 500)
| Dan Locke wrote: | | transparencies |
I don't think Amiga had any problems with translucency effects, Robocod had transparent platforms all over the place on Amiga 500.
There were also a lot of games with quite cool reflective water style effects, I don't remember seeing that in many console games.
Not sure about this one, I think Amiga should be pretty competitive for this though to be honest, unless you're just talking about the background, which in all honesty isn't really that useful.
| Dan Locke wrote: | | rotation |
Brian the Lion (again, on Amiga 500)
| Dan Locke wrote: | | eight-channel sound are, because I've somehow managed to miss them. |
Yeah, Amiga definitely could've done with more sound channels, I'm not keen on the way sound effects sometimes cut out the music.
| Dan Locke wrote: | | Which 500 are we talking about? Is there one that doesn't have 18 colors max for parallax graphics? |
Only if you use the hardware layers though isn't it? doing parallax the old fashioned way with line scrolling and/or sprites shouldn't affect the colour counts.
| Dan Locke wrote: | | One with more than eight hardware sprites? |
This is pretty irrelevant though is it not? Amiga's Blitter can create loads of Bob's, the big games didn't use the hardware sprites for anything but the player. |
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Sensi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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SNES > Amiga? Nuts 
SF2, Nigel Mansell's World Championship, maybe The Liong King or utter crap FIFA look better or have better gameplay on SNES. That is all.
Play every single one from these on both SNES and Amiga and compare them.
You can like SNES more, you can like SNES games more, thats ok, its a question of taste and opinion, but saying SNES is technically better than Amiga or games look better on SNES = dementia.
Luckily Amiga is the poll winner, some people are not deaf or blind.
| k1ngarth3r wrote: | Both systems have there merits for example you can't play Super Mario World on the Amiga and you can't play Monkey Island on the Snes 
I think both systems are on par, I'd have to own them both (back in the 90's probably the Amiga though because the games where cheaper) |
Yes, we cant play Super Mario World on Amiga. We can play other ~300 platformers on Amiga. And plenty of them are better than Super Mario World. How many adventure games we can play on SNES?
| Dan Locke wrote: | | The SNES outclasses pretty much every Amiga, including the CD32. |
And because you are saying this it is a fact, right? Ok. I am saying every Amiga outclasses SNES. So now its equal.
| CTOJAH wrote: | One thing is "I like/love something" and the facts(truth) is another.
We all here love our beloved Amiga, but SNES is/was one leap ahead. |
Definitely. And your opinions are always the facts and opinions of others are always only opinions if they do not match your opinions.
| m1omg wrote: | | I don't like consoles in general, SNES included. Better than any Amiga? Is that a joke? |
I think they mean it seriously. |
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Acid
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jesus 666 wrote: |
| Dan Locke wrote: | | transparencies |
I don't think Amiga had any problems with translucency effects, Robocod had transparent platforms all over the place on Amiga 500.
There were also a lot of games with quite cool reflective water style effects, I don't remember seeing that in many console games. |
Sparkster had a nice reflection effect on the snes, can't recall many more though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qgkzpqvVghY#t=88s |
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joeyramonne
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its allways superfunny how ppl choose one two things like don locke paralax scroll and repeat over and over again and again and again and using it as a argument why snes is better then amiga and its retardation!!!! there are hundred things amiga can do and snes cant do but they keep repeat over and over again and again that one thing!!! if snes so cool why so much games on snes sucks ballz and on amiga they rulezzz? yeah because of supercool paralax scrolling, transparencis and scaling blah blah snes is superior to amiga and that is why pinball fantazies look like shit on snes and is superslow on snes yeah right. or chaos engine or other zillions games that look utterly horrible on snes but you got the point dan and trolling over and over again like on eab in snes vs genesis LOLOLOL
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Retroplay
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Amiga fanboy-ism to the max. 
Well I'm one of them too, but...
| Sensi wrote: | | Play every single one from these on both SNES and Amiga and compare them. |
SNES versions of Addams Family, Cool Spot, Gods (yeah), Joe & Mac, Lost Vikings, Mortal Kombat 1 & 2 on that list walks all over the Amiga versions.
Pinball Dreams & Fantasies are just usual GameTek ( ) half-arsed ports.
Don't get me wrong, I love Amiga, always have and always will, but SNES is just the better gaming machine when it comes to action/platformers and especially J-RPGs which is non existent on Amiga, apart from The Speris Legacy (which is kind of meh tbh).
Oh and btw, the SNES version of The Ninjawarriors (aka Ninjawarriors Again in Japan) is a sequel and is completely different.
Enough of that, so...
I've been thinking about getting one of these and a Super Famicom when I have some spare change to spend.
SD2SNES
Having a SFC/SNES lined up next to the C64, A500 and A1200 is one of the things on my to-do list before I croak. 
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akabei
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Retroplay wrote: | I've been thinking about getting one of these and a Super Famicom when I have some spare change to spend.
SD2SNES |
Never heard of the SD2SNES, but there's also the Everdrive. Hard to get one, as every new margin is sold out quickly, but at least it's not some kind of prototype. |
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Sensi
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I am not an Amiga fanboy at all, I sold my Amiga to gain money for buying 486 in 90s and even today I prefer PC 486 and Saturn (and PSX, Dreamcast or PS2 or Pentium II) over Amiga. I bought Amiga a month ago, after 15 years. Fanboy? Hardly 
About those games you mentioned:
I dont like Addams Family, Cool Spot or Joe and Mac and dont play them (imo they look tad better on Amiga and are more playable on Amiga too - question of taste of course, I am not saying, like others, ITS A FACT or some other rubbish), Gods I play only on Amiga and the rest on PC (MK 1, Lost Vikings) or Saturn (MK2) and if I had to choose between the SNES versions and Amiga versions, I would say Amiga.
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@akabei
SD2SNES supports enhanced chips and similar stuff afaik.
Braunschweig. Braunschweig. There was an Amiga factory many years ago, wasnt it? Its a small world.
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Retroplay
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Sensi wrote: | | SD2SNES supports enhanced chips and similar stuff afaik. |
Indeed it does and soon SuperFX 1 & 2 too (StarFox  ).
That's the reason I chose that over the Super EverDrive.
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a_three_headed_monkey
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I have a SNES & an Amiga. I'm happy.
Seriously though, these machines are so cheap. I kind of understand the 360 vs PS3 kind of debate, just like I did with SNES vs Amiga back in the day. I was a massive miggy fanboy. These machines are really expensive at launch & your parents are only prepared to buy your 12 year old ass the one console/computer. So you justify not having one by convincing yourself that the one machine you do have is so amazing that you don't need to see how green the grass is on the other side.
Now though? You can own them all for pennies. The only people still holding on to these fanboy views from 15 years ago are either so stubborn that they refuse to admit they were being childish fanboys at the time, or they still are those childish fanboys approaching their 40's & that... is sad.
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CTOJAH
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| Sensi wrote: | | I am not an Amiga fanboy at all, I sold my Amiga to gain money for buying 486 in 90s and even today I prefer PC 486 and Saturn (and PSX, Dreamcast or PS2 or Pentium II) over Amiga... |
Please, don't compare Amiga with Saturn/PSX/Dreamcast/PS2/Pentium II... ...never... ...ever again !
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Sensi
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| CTOJAH wrote: | | Sensi wrote: | | I am not an Amiga fanboy at all, I sold my Amiga to gain money for buying 486 in 90s and even today I prefer PC 486 and Saturn (and PSX, Dreamcast or PS2 or Pentium II) over Amiga... |
Please, don't compare Amiga with Saturn/PSX/Dreamcast/PS2/Pentium II... ...never... ...ever again ! |
1. Its up to ME, I will do whatever I want to. My Amiga is more grey than my Saturn (=comparison).
2. Where is any comparison in my previous post? |
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jesus 666
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| Acid wrote: | | Sparkster had a nice reflection effect on the snes, can't recall many more though. |
Yeah, I think Rocket Knight Adventures, and Bloodlines might've had a similar looking thing too.
I'm not sure if its exactly the same thing though to be honest, on Amiga it looks like some kind of scanline effect. on SNES it looks almost like they've just drawn that part of the background upside down and have another upside-down sprite following you movements or something
Either way the effect seems cruder
This is an nice example of how it looks on Amiga (another good one would be The Killing Game Show IIRC, which I think actually had its reflection effect missing in the Mega Drive port)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v89QMDs3B1g&t=1m43s
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joeyramonne
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| Sensi wrote: | | CTOJAH wrote: | | Sensi wrote: | | I am not an Amiga fanboy at all, I sold my Amiga to gain money for buying 486 in 90s and even today I prefer PC 486 and Saturn (and PSX, Dreamcast or PS2 or Pentium II) over Amiga... |
Please, don't compare Amiga with Saturn/PSX/Dreamcast/PS2/Pentium II... ...never... ...ever again ! |
1. Its up to ME, I will do whatever I want to. My Amiga is more grey than my Saturn (=comparison).
2. Where is any comparison in my previous post? |
you freeee to do whatewer youuuu whatever you choooose yeaaaaah you like liam yeah noone trust you you have saturn and amiga and lotus noone can be much rich so youre liar |
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